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Submitted ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago by ShyKana to ContentWarning

lemmy 黒泥

黒泥是这么用的吧?黒泥真的很黑啦,文也不好,还是请谨慎阅读?(

好的,我还是忍不住上来骂一句 lemmy 了

经过大概是这样:

(一)

我自己搭了一个 lemmy 服务器,似乎第一篇 文章怎么也发不出去,最后发现是因为 lemmy 内置有敏感词过滤,里面把 twat 列作了敏感词,然后把我的一个链接里的 project watt 给判定违规了。 见:https://wuppo.allowed.org/notice/A0YeAZyWrlQUigOdAO

就,啊?真是就 24 口交换机?敏感词相关的笑话大家应该也可以一下子想出很多,长毛象这边也陆陆续续讨论过很多次审核与敏感词的问题了,我这里也不多说。总之,当时我感到非常的不适。

除了对审核本身的不适外,可能还有两点:

  1. 文档里完全没有对敏感词的说明,也不知道是漏了还是觉得不用写;
  2. 我个人认为有固定的敏感词存在就说明了这块完全没有考虑非英语语境下的用户。

(二)

好吧,去 lemmy 的 issues 里看一看,也许官方会有什么说明?的确已经有人去问这个问题了。 https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/621

但是,既然是代表了正义那就好好讨论呀?人家问了一句怎样能禁用敏感词过滤,你直接给人盖大帽子:

Not disabling the slur filter, ever. Use voat or gab if you want to say racist slurs.

从想要关闭敏感词过滤推论到就是想要说种族主义的污蔑话语,这种最近是要叫做杠精呢还是真的就逻辑学没学好?

We're not giving users or site owners the "option" or "freedom" to use racist and sexist slurs, that goes against our code of conduct, and the goals of this project. Go to voat or gab if you want to be racist, its pretty simple.

谢谢啊,自由还用您来给啊?烦请您闭源好吗?

不行了,下面对话我一看血压得直飙,想看的可以自己去看,这里不翻译贴出来了。

(三)

好的,之前我也是这样血压上来了就不管了,也不打算骂公开骂。但是最近在搭和 lemmy 类似的叫 lotide 的服务器(部分原因也就是对 lemmy 不爽啦),看到一些也是在搭 lotide 的人似乎整理了个小小的比较各种类 reddit 服务的表格。上面给 lemmy 的 anti-censorship 打了个大大的 no。(诶你也对 lemmy 有意见?)然后我就点进那个 no 附上的链接里看了一下。。。

https://github.com/t3pfaffe/Hoot/tree/patch-1

啊看了血压就又上来了

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/pull/816

我不贴反方的言论了,贴点降压的

the idea of a master slur filter pretty limiting

whether discussing it historically or even in normal conversation

it makes a number of decisions for a community on their behalf without regard for context

i am unconvinced that, without proper moderation, this kind of self-censoring is in any way effective

pointing out this decision will drive away users not used to thinking of open-source projects as tools that can be used by anyone for anything, beyond the control of the original developer

Federation and the prospect of unlimited speech that can be managed per-instance was what set Lemmy apart from 100 other reddit alternatives. Now its just another Reddit clone with a political bias of its own that extends beyond the instance. Evangelists' arguments that political bias is limited to the instance owner are now toothless.

就这样吧,这次血压升高写完这篇不知道是什么的黒泥之后我就不想再关注与 lemmy 有关的事了。可以说的是,不管之后 lemmy 发展得怎么样,我是永远不会再用 lemmy 了。

(顺便一提,我悄悄地 fork 了 lemmy 然后把代码里的敏感词过滤正则改成所有词都是敏感词啦!只是我不敢弄 pull request,没能把行为艺术做完整。)

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